Talmud Bavli
Talmud Bavli

Related for Rosh Hashanah 24:13

אמר ליה ר' זירא לרב אסי

For he undertook to mortify himself, and he has mortified himself. But why not say [that his year ends in] Nisan? - In respect of vows, follow the ordinary use of language.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' And men ordinarily talk of the year as beginning in Tishri.');"><sup>11</sup></span> We have learnt elsewhere: 'Fenugrec<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Or 'fenugreek', a leguminous plant allied to clover.');"><sup>12</sup></span> [becomes liable to tithe] from the time when it grows;<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' I.e., its year is determined by the time of its growth and not of its gathering, as in the case of vegetables. vtuc,v');"><sup>13</sup></span> produce<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' It is a question whether this includes grapes or not. V. Tosaf. jnm,an');"><sup>14</sup></span> and olives, from the time when they have grown a third'. What is meant by 'from the time when it grows'? - From the time when it grows sufficiently for resowing.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Cf. Tosaf. s.v. .');"><sup>15</sup></span> 'Produce and olives from the time when they are a third grown'. Whence this rule? - R'Assi said in the name of R'Johanan (some trace it back to the name of R'Jose the Galilean) : Scripture says: At the end of every seven years, in the set time of the year of release, the feast of Tabernacles.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Deut. XXXI, 10. dvbn');"><sup>16</sup></span> Now how comes the year of release to be mentioned here? The feast of Tabernacles is already the eighth year? It is in fact to intimate to us that if produce has grown a third in the seventh year before New Year, the rules of the seventh year are to be applied to it in the eighth year.<span class="x" onmousemove="('comment',' Tosaf. (s.v.) points out that this would seem to come under the rule already given above of adding from the profane on to the holy, and answers that from this verse we should learn only that the produce if harvested must be treated as seventh-year produce e.g.. in respect of trading interest, but not that it is forbidden to harvest it.');"><sup>17</sup></span> Said R'Zera to R'Assi:

Tosefta Rosh Hashanah (Lieberman)

How [one should understand]: "for the vows"? [Answer:] If one has been forbidden by a vow to use another for a year, he counts twelve months from this specific day and onward. But if he says: For this year, even if he has denied himself the benefit of it by the vow only on the first in Elul, [the obligation] is only up to the first of Tishrei.
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